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22 Jan 2017 09:39:30
Heard today the club have Patrick viera lined up - can anyone confirm this is as manager or another moyes special as a player!
If it is as a player - it could work as he might be better at pinging balls up to our man mountain of a centre forward (Defoe)
Also rumoured we a looking at Robbie Keene - can't believe this is true - there must be some shorter players with less presence, pace and power we can add - more like Pinear!
1.) 22 Jan 2017 10:11:49
It is as manager mate. Do you have something against Defoe or am I just misreading your post. I also agree with the way we play with him on the pitch is pathetic but surely that is not his fault?
2.) 22 Jan 2017 12:22:36
AGREE 100% - just think if we continue with him leading the line on his own all that will happen is he will score 20 goals and we will go down - it is unfair to expect him to out muscle central defenders yet our only game plan is hitting balls up to him - so we either need to change our game plan or change him. that's why I believe anichebi in front of or along side defoe would be my preferred option - and a swap deal for lense with emineke could make sense as cover for anichebi- even jagyellka and lescott could work if dillibodgy moves to left back and van arnholt moves to left midfield- that way we get to keep defoe and give him the support he needs and add some presence to our defence. but if these options aren't taken then I would rather sell defoe and add some power and presence up front than sell van arnholt - replace him pretty much like for like, and then continue doing what we are doing now.
moyes should have taken mvilla rather than the 2 Manchester United lads at the start of the season and we might have been able to hold our own rather than struggling everytime we come up against a bit of size.
So I think our problems are deep rooted and defoe is the solution - we either get him support or we sell him and change - but we can't just expect him to lead the line!
3.) 23 Jan 2017 00:28:46
Viera? well I think Micky Mouse or Donald Duck would be better than Moyes! lol I think the buck stops with the manager! Moyes can't motivate the players and remember Moyes bought in the players who are failing Bring in the kids as there's nothing to lose now! personally I think moyes will walk away!
4.) 23 jan 2017 09:53:20
perhapse if moyes signed peter reed, roy keene, gus poyet, paulo dichanio and steve bruce - we would have a chance of surviving - and they can't be that much older than robby keene!
5.) 24 Jan 2017 23:27:27
Lead the line? Anichebe out why not try the kid Maja he s big strong and would be a good foil for Defoe? we need to blood the kids! nothing ventured nothing gained we need to try some positive things but is Moyes capable of positive thinking?
10 Jan 2017 15:37:58
Being a Sunderland suporter during the transfer window is soul destroying - the board say we can't afford to bring in new players but the reallity is we can't afford not to - we need new blood of premier league quallity and we need it fast - yet all we get are excuses - being relligated will cost far more than a couple of players! - if he hasn't got the money Ellis Short needs to find an investor who has.
1.) 10 Jan 2017 16:03:12
It's not the transfer fees that's the issue, it's the wage cap. We can't pay more wages than we are, we can't even bring our loan players back as we'd be in trouble with the FFP rules. Unless we sell someone or short manages to jiggle the books a bit we're really screwed due to year after year of patching a team that has made a mess of it entirely. We can't risk point deductions, or transfer embargos or even at the worst automatic relegation.
2.) 10 Jan 2017 18:25:24
so shift a few to make room - get rid on manquillo? - shift either Borini or Defoe - get rid of oshey / pinaer / larson - because they will all go when we get demoted - the point is we have to do something unless we believe these - guys will turn round our season - for me it is only madness to let Defoe go if we do not replace him - I would rather see Anicheby through the centre rather than out on the wing (to accommodate Defoe through the middle! ) - he would be more of a handfull for the centre halves than Defoe! - as much as I like Defoe, I believe the rest of our play is compromised because of him - If he could get the same number of goals as a secondary striker to Anicheby or similar then I would believe he was irreplacible - and we would get the best from Anicheby - What ever the whys and wherefors - we can't afford to go down without a fight - so only sell if we have a replacement - but to me we will only fail if we fail to act - because 20 goals from Defoe won't save us!
3.) 10 Jan 2017 21:39:35
Getting rid is all well and good, how though? Their wages alone make them entirely unattractive to other teams, then would we be able to replace them in time? As it stands we can't even get someone before we sell as we can't pay them till we see, it's a catch 22 our only option would be direct swaps, which would probably end up with us again paying part of their wages for the remainer of their contracts which we're still doing now for some who've left.
As for defoe, if we play 90% long balls to him he'll never amount to much, he's an entire foot shorter than most defenders. It's a stupid idea no matter how you spin it. Which makes it even more crazy that at least three managers have persisted with it. With a tall forward he at least gets near the ball more which is much better, as it stands though he's pretty much our only hope atm.
4.) 11 Jan 2017 09:59:38
Agree with what you say about Defoe - that's why I say play Anicheby in the Defoe role as Anicheby would be far more effective there - and if that means Defoe is then less effective as a secondary striker than say Borini (who is currently shoved out to the wings) - then sell Defoe - offers have been made and wages would be freed to bring in new blood -
Or alternativly we can just leave it as it is - let Defoe score 20 goals for us as the main target man - and still go down because the rest of our play is in effective!
5.) 11 Jan 2017 10:25:28
In Short what I am trying to say is Defoe in the main striker's role is a major asset infront of goal but a burden as to how the whole team play to accommodate him.
6.) 13 Jan 2017 11:15:04
Sunderland have no one else the team is rubbish and we all know that, we need a full middfield and one or two more strikers as well as 3-4 defenders but that takes money witch we don't have and never will have because elis short is wanting out of the club and is not going to spend much more on us
7.) 15 Jan 2017 00:41:14
Another inept performance against a poor Stoke team! the whole club is a joke! Moyes never uses the kids on the bench he needs to go now!
8.) 15 Jan 2017 13:44:00
I was appalled at the display yesterday against Stoke. How can you expect to win a Premier League game with two village idiots on your team Djilobodji and Love.
Borini should have been subbed at half time pathetic but would you want and Italian in the tranches when you need battlers
They are simply not good enough and who bought them Moyes.
Moyes must be sacked ASAP but it will not happen because of Bain and Short.
They did not even compete and I feel sorry for Januszai who is like a thoroughbred playing with selling platers
Short you poxy face give Sunderland back to the supporters and we will play Co Durham Lads who would walk to play for Sunderland and I can pick a team from the Northern league where my son plays
If you look at history the only time Sunderland have been successful a majority of the team were North East born 1973 70% of the squad was local
Get rid of all the foreigners who do not want to play for Sunderland and give local lads a chance who know what Sunderland mean to the local population would would give 110%
When I was leaving the premier concourse I noticed a portrait of Shack and Raich Carter what must they be thinking
25 Aug 2014 10:06:24
A big week ahead in the transfer market - but it didn't have to be - if we had agreed a reasonable fee for Alonso and moved diikette the other way we could have had additional cover at the back and an unwanted off the wage bill - and if we had met a fair valuation for Mutch we could have closed it out before other teams were involved with another Rodwell like player in the squad - leaving a search for a striker - and with circa 14 mil to spend we could have bought 2! - or do what we have done and hang out for Borini - with a big pot to use if get cold feet - but with less fish to catch!
My point to all this is I am sick of the lame excuse about players not wanting to come to sunderland - I believe the above was more than realistic - just Congerton didn't make it happen! - so the next week requires a slice of good luck and a lot more good judgment than has been shown at times and probablies more money than what we refused to pay to close out the above deals - So MR Congerton keep up the GOOD work ( Buckley, Rodwell, Vergini but permanent would have been better) and give it your absolute all to bring in at least 1 central defender, an attacking midfielder and a centre forward (on permanents ) to push the club onwards and upwards! - not just store our problems for another day!
{Ed024's Note - Fiorentina said from the start they wanted to see Alonso after a full pre season with them, and Diakite's agent confirmed back in June that Fiorentina had decided against making the Diakite loan a permanent transfer. Not sure Congerton can be blamed for that one.}
1.) Agree with Ed, and how bad did you really want Mutch anyway?
2.) I didn't want him that Mutch anyway, lol
3.) We tried to sign Vergini but there was a complication due to third party ownership so we had to go for the loan option.
4.) 25 Aug 2014 23:47:43
On Vergini we wanted to sign him permanently but as he's owned by 2 clubs and the protracted transfer would have taken ages!. so a loan deal is best but hopefully we can untangle the red tape by Janurary window to sign him permanently!
10 Aug 2014 11:43:10
Last Plea
No doubt falling on deaf ears but still think there is a strong case for holding on to Ndaiye as he offers power strength and presence - and I believe could be excellent cover for our defence and midfield which in a small squad like ours could prove to be invaluable - so keep him as a utility squad member ( though I would play him instead of Bridcutt every time).
1.) Has anyone got any info or updates on the Borini deal? Maybe we are waiting for Liverpool to get a replacement first? It's easy to get impatient and think the worse like.
{Ed024's Note - Its taken so long now difficult to tell why. He obviously hasn't said a definite no cos we would have moved on, his injury may have complicated things but I'd guess he may be talking to clubs in Italy.}
2.) Thanks, I was thinking maybe Sinclair could have followed rodwell with having similar problem at man city but he was playing for city today.
3.) Ive posted this on here before but I've heard that borini is wanting a payment off liverpool to move and that is stopping the deal from going ahead. personal terms have been agreed and don't know what the payment is for
4.) I would guess it is compensation as he didn't ask to leave Liverpool. They are choosing to sell him.
5.) 11 Aug 2014 09:07:09
I would think all of our idiot 'so called' fans slagging him off and his fiance will be putting him off coming anyway!!
He gave 100% last season, and we have no idea why he has not signed yet. Everything we have read is simply paper and agent talk.
It could be medical with his shoulder delaying the move, it could simply be him not wanting to, it could be financial from our terms or it could be financial from Liverpool or it could be a combination of all of these.
Either way, the idiot fans that think bad language in posts makes them look big and clever and the ones hurling abuse at him and his fiance on twitter and on forums are simply, in my opinion, an absolute disgrace!
09 Jun 2014 17:23:42
With Colback (defensive midfielder)going and Gomez (attacking midfielder)coming in I would love to see us keep Ndaye who I see as a great all rounder - in his prime - and a colossus of a man with a notable presence. Don't think you will see him being bullied on the pitch! ( which has been a problem for us at various times in the past).
Cumon Gus - give the guy a chance - reckon you won't regret it!
Are there any more Ndaye supporters out there?
1.) We should have kept him in Janurary! . agree Gus should give him a chance!
2.) I agree I liked him and he should be given a chance we need that physical presence
3.) All I know is if he played up front he'd score more than Altidore did. How he doesn't get a chance is beyond me, O'Neill was worse than useless but he bought the best player in the world to SAFC.
4.) What's it all about?
ALFIE!
5.) According to a unauthorised statement Sunderland are bitter at Coleback for signing for the toon and say they gave him everything he wanted to sign for us so there must be something going on behind the scenes?
6.) Think we can forget about him
Really wasn't brilliant
I'd rate him 5. 5 out of 10
Easy job to replace him
{Ed024's Note - Colback could have put himself in a difficult position, clearly he will get some stick from the Sunderland fans, but if he starts badly for Newcastle he could be getting grief from them too. He's not a massive loss to the club its just annoying that the situation was handled so badly that he was able to go for nothing.}
7.) Agree about Coleback think he's overrated a Championship player at best so will suit the mags well!. the only gripe I have is we let his contract run down and got nothing for him!. anyway we need a creative midfield player
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31 Aug 2017 16:53:05
see we are looking to sign another dwarf today - when will we realise we need some power poise and presence in our squad - sick of being bullied by the oposition!1.
29 Jan 2017 10:08:56
is it SAFC that struggles to attract players or is it David Moyes. For me I do believe the club has a part to play in this as our finances are in such a state - but our facillities are second to none and our fans dito - so there is more that is good than there is bad about SAFC. This then brings me to the manager - I believe he has the biggest role to play in convincing players to come to the club - and from where I sit this is where we are failing dismally - you can't spend 6 months moaning about how poor we are then expect players to jump at the chance of joining the club - especially when you have hand picked 5 of the squad and have chased or won't play another handfull. Players don't want to play for us now who have been here for some time - that can't be right!- for me man management and carisma are essential tools for a football manager and David Moyes has none! I don't get any possitive vibes, see any joy or feel any heart from our manager - in short Mr Short he is lack luster and uninspiring - and it is this which is most dammaging to our club and our persuit of players
1.) 29 Jan 2017 11:27:49
Regardless of Moyes negativity it is plausible to suggest that if our league position was better we would have no issue attracting players. For all I am unsure about Moyes the blames are to blame for that league position. Moyes has a say but he can't control an individual performance on game day. I feel for Moyes he joined a sinking ship with no money. He takes far to much stick.
2.) 29 Jan 2017 20:07:13
I Think Moyes doesn't want to be here! and is just going through the motions. its difficult for him as he was promised some money for players and hasn't been giving much! having said that his signings leave a lot to be desired so do I trust him with more money? no! mind the problems lie also in the boardroom and training as we can't even defend a corner and most other teams seem to be better motivated! surely in the championship there are some decent players? and looking at the fa cup teams this weekend they are certainly better motivated!
3.) 30 Jan 2017 03:51:32
Hello stokoe! Nice honest reply. The answer to your question I believe is that if short is going to stick with him then he has to give him some money from somewhere if not now then in the summer. No good keeping Moyes and not providing money for improvements especially if we go down. But I agree with everything you have said his signings leave a lot to be desired and I would love to watch a training session
4.) 30 Jan 2017 17:25:14
Well now we have 2 more injury prone players though I like Oviedo very solid left back and quick! Gibson? not sure mind like to have had Ulloa reminds me of Defoe as he's fast fit and puts himself about and most importantly . scores goals!
5.) 30 Jan 2017 18:39:57
Ulloa is furious Leicester won't let him join us. Would like us to keep pushing with this one as ulloa would be an excellent addition IMO glad we got Oviedo and if Gibson can keep for (big if) he will do a job in midfield.
6.) 31 Jan 2017 17:18:33
Think its disgraceful the way Leicester have treated Ulloa . I hope he keeps his promise and doesn't play for them again! . and get relegated. that'll wipe the smile off Linkekas smug face!
7.) 01 Feb 2017 00:36:40
I'm shocked they haven't let him leave but even more surprised that they said it was because we are a relegation rival. Yet they sell schlupp to palace? More to this than meets the eye me thinks!
23 Jan 2017 18:22:36
why would we sign Robbie Keane - I do not believe he has any more to offer than Borini - infact I don't think he could lace borinis boots at this point - and borini ain't pullin up any trees!
1.) 24 Jan 2017 16:29:35
Couldn't lace borini boots? Borini is crap. Keane is old yes but borini isn't setting world on fire
2.) 24 Jan 2017 23:31:01
Agree FTM like Van Ann Holt Borini doesn't want to be here . rather play Embleton on the wing!
3.) 25 Jan 2017 15:17:02
I don't see why Moyes doesn't play the kids as I believe some of them could (if given the oppurtunity) thrive in the championship. Especially given the fact that we need to stop making a loss on signings and wages playing the youngins would save a lot of money.
28 Jul 2016 12:48:20
can anyone explain to me why we would consider selling Kone to everton @ circa 15m when they look like getting 50m for stones - I wouldn't swap stones for Kone and as such if I was to sell him I would want more than everton get for stones.
27 Jan 2016 12:09:02
am I the only one who thinks we would benefit from picking up a solid defensive left back? - allowing VanArnholt to push into mid field and do what he does well creating and scoring while we have some resiliance behind him to plug the leaky defence also to provide some much needed cover if vanarnholt gets injured. can't understand why we are chasing a right back as a higher priority.
Also think we look weak down both flanks so don't understand lense playing central when he is an established left winger - would prefer to see him there with van arnholt behind him and a solid left back sitting behind them both. On the right not sure why larson is out of favour in mid field - he works his socks off, can deliver a ball and is one of our most consistant performers think he offers more than cattermol. Would like to see some pace and skill infront of larson on the right - we do have pace in watmore and skill in Johnson - unfortunately we need both elements in one player - if we can't buy in this window would even consider trying Mavrias out their - the lad hasn't been given a chance and at this stage I don't percieve him to be any better or worse than the competition in the squad - all the more disapointing to see andros townsend going to newcastle as I think he would have been the perfect fit in that role.
And not really holding my breath for any high profile signings at this point to revive our flagging chances of survival it is truly a bleak winter for SAFC supporters in my view - but you never Know!
23 jan 2017 09:53:20
perhapse if moyes signed peter reed, roy keene, gus poyet, paulo dichanio and steve bruce - we would have a chance of surviving - and they can't be that much older than robby keene!
22 Jan 2017 12:22:36
AGREE 100% - just think if we continue with him leading the line on his own all that will happen is he will score 20 goals and we will go down - it is unfair to expect him to out muscle central defenders yet our only game plan is hitting balls up to him - so we either need to change our game plan or change him. that's why I believe anichebi in front of or along side defoe would be my preferred option - and a swap deal for lense with emineke could make sense as cover for anichebi- even jagyellka and lescott could work if dillibodgy moves to left back and van arnholt moves to left midfield- that way we get to keep defoe and give him the support he needs and add some presence to our defence. but if these options aren't taken then I would rather sell defoe and add some power and presence up front than sell van arnholt - replace him pretty much like for like, and then continue doing what we are doing now.
moyes should have taken mvilla rather than the 2 Manchester United lads at the start of the season and we might have been able to hold our own rather than struggling everytime we come up against a bit of size.
So I think our problems are deep rooted and defoe is the solution - we either get him support or we sell him and change - but we can't just expect him to lead the line!
11 Jan 2017 10:25:28
In Short what I am trying to say is Defoe in the main striker's role is a major asset infront of goal but a burden as to how the whole team play to accommodate him.
11 Jan 2017 09:59:38
Agree with what you say about Defoe - that's why I say play Anicheby in the Defoe role as Anicheby would be far more effective there - and if that means Defoe is then less effective as a secondary striker than say Borini (who is currently shoved out to the wings) - then sell Defoe - offers have been made and wages would be freed to bring in new blood -
Or alternativly we can just leave it as it is - let Defoe score 20 goals for us as the main target man - and still go down because the rest of our play is in effective!
10 Jan 2017 18:25:24
so shift a few to make room - get rid on manquillo? - shift either Borini or Defoe - get rid of oshey / pinaer / larson - because they will all go when we get demoted - the point is we have to do something unless we believe these - guys will turn round our season - for me it is only madness to let Defoe go if we do not replace him - I would rather see Anicheby through the centre rather than out on the wing (to accommodate Defoe through the middle! ) - he would be more of a handfull for the centre halves than Defoe! - as much as I like Defoe, I believe the rest of our play is compromised because of him - If he could get the same number of goals as a secondary striker to Anicheby or similar then I would believe he was irreplacible - and we would get the best from Anicheby - What ever the whys and wherefors - we can't afford to go down without a fight - so only sell if we have a replacement - but to me we will only fail if we fail to act - because 20 goals from Defoe won't save us!
21 Jul 2015 17:54:33
Agree
this would give us some additional height at left back - allowing PVA to slot in with catts and larson - with Lense infront on the left - Jonston on the right and take your pick through the middle - but excellent ballance - catts can sit and allow larson and pva to bomb on and support the front 3 - Happy days