16 Mar 2015 20:47:56
the club must be rotten to the core if ellis short has any ambition for the club he needs to get some balls and sort it out. i like most of you could write a book on issues why the club is in the situation it is year in year out. i hope we can get a manager in who will have some trust in our youth policy and give the young lads a chance. i backed ronald koeman the last few times we sacked our managers to get the job as i saw the work he did with the young lads while he was in holland alas we missed him and the rest is history and southamptons good fortune. i think a look at a dutch or scandanavian coach would be a good thing as they never have much money to work with in their country so rely on bringing young lads into the team. if we do go down this avenue then we need to keep hold of any gems we find tie them down on long contracts and build the club around them because financially we can't compete in the transfer market with your big london or manchester clubs or liverpool. let's hope that we don't get big sam as manager as we might as well scrap our youth policy as i can't temember any young player at any club he has managed that he brought the through.
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16 Mar 2015 20:45:29
Tips for new manager - new captain needed, blood some young players(watmore, agnew, mandron etc, do not play larsson in centre midfield, kick off every game kicking towards the north stand this should do for now
Hear, hear!
16 Mar 2015 23:34:56
Tip for the new manager which IS Advocaat now !. play 4-4-2 two wingers 2 strikers and put Bridcut in the reserves play Van AN Holt as a left winger ! Larrsson on the right wing give Whatmore Mandran and Rees and Honeyman a chance in the side !. simple lol !!
16 Mar 2015 23:36:50
Agree plewsy about Larsson he should be on the right wing NOT in the center!
16 Mar 2015 20:24:17
We need a strong character to sort these over paid permidonners out, Big Sam for next manager !
Spot on mate
16 Mar 2015 19:10:52
Big Sam is my choice either now or summer if not now bring in Kevin ball as interim
16 Mar 2015 18:23:23
Someone will already been looked at weeks ago for managers job before gus got sacked . but I think big name managers bring big name players and that's what we need
How exactly do we pay these "big name players" We can't, simple as that, there's no way we can handle even paying 60k a week really never mind 100k-300k for the big name players, as it is we've got no name players on decent wages which is crushing our ability to get anyone to strengthen our squad, which is threadbare to begin with.
Yeah your right mate . maybe another clear out? Maybe we need hungry players?
Still think a big name manager will bring in "better players"
16 Mar 2015 20:31:48
Heard they want McLaren full time Avadcatt temp ? hope that's wrong !
I think it's more a more knowledgeble manager would bring in better players. There are many players in the championship who could make the jump to premiership, we see it every year, the trick is getting them when they're cheap and available.
As for clearing out the team I agree, yet that'll not happen with the silly contracts being chucked around like to o'shae & brown. They're past it, too slow and can't keep a decent line without folding into the keeper every time, mainly because they can't catch anyone.
The three main issues I and many can see at the club are these
1) the drinking culture, they're obviously not properly fit as they fall off in the last 30 minutes instead of how we used to be under reid where the last ten minutes we would run most other teams into the ground.
2) Player power, too many egos on too much money that can sabotage any new manager, that's not going to change till there's a massive clear out.
3) The Owner & board, they've backed every manage to the hilt letting them buy whoever without really understanding how football works, how players and positions intertwine and how not having a decent squad depth can destroy you.
We can fix 3, get more people on the board who actually understand football as well as business, 2 we can't do anything about till contracts run out/retire or we can offload them. Which sadly is hard as anything since nobody wants to come here unless it's on silly money.
As for 1. this is the hardest, Di Canio tried to change this even though he went ten leagues to the crazy house trying to do it, he was spot on with there being a problem behind the players and until that's stamped out, we're screwed.
16 Mar 2015 16:23:49
Please get Allerdyce not Advocaat. What are they thinking!!!!!! Odds are shortening on Advocaat all the time. What on earth are they doing?????
16 Mar 2015 18:24:42
Not heard of Dutch bloke before now .
16 Mar 2015 19:07:09
Margaret Byrne was instrumental in getting Poyet ! so the whole board room set up needs to be looked at there's no communication between the chairman director of football or manager this needs to be addressed or the next manager will struggle here !
16 Mar 2015 23:46:38
Sorry lessthan 88 its Advocaat ! well just have to hope he can motivate the players in the last 9 games !
16 Mar 2015 15:15:26
All these people pointing the finger at Ellis Short. Where would we be as a club without him? Probably down where Portsmouth are!!
Yes he puts FFP above everything else but I would rather have that than going into administration.
The skunks moan about Mike Ashley but they have gone from massive debt to making a profit. We need to do the same then we can push on.
Yes we are a big club but our fans need to stop their delusions of grandure. We need to be realistic and look for a couple of solid mid table seasons before we moan about not pushing on. Look at the money QPR tried to spend and failed meaning massive debts.
We need another PDC style manager who will root out the problems behind the scenes with the board backing instead of sacking him. We may go down at first but that might be best for the club. This is the only way our club will be able to move forward
16 Mar 2015 14:36:47
Be careful what you wish for is my advice. I've even heard Dick Advocaat mentioned. Good God!!!! It's hard to think of anyone suitable at the moment as the best ones have just got jobs. What we must get is an English manager with premiership experience to get us out of this hole in the short term before we start the necessary clear out and rebuilding of the club from the bottom up. Forget the Newcastle connection Allerdyce could do the job but I don' t think we will get him at this stage of the season. Pulis, Sherwood, Pardew have proved that there are good English managers around who can galvanise what seem to be poor premiership teams. I just think we have missed the boat. I can't think of anyone who is available in the same mould. But Dick Advocaat? Hello Championship.
16 Mar 2015 14:58:55
The truth is we should have got rid of Poyet much earlier then the liked of Pullis and Sherwood etc etc would have been available !. i'd go for a temp manager to keep us up then a good search in the summer for a top manager but Short probably will shop at Poundstretcher again !!
16 Mar 2015 15:31:10
Reminds me of Magath 'saving' Fulham last year. If after six years in charge Advocaat is the best candidate he can attract it is time Short realized it is time for the man in the mirror to go- and on his way out he might ponder what his 'adviser' Congerton has brought to the club too- apart from worsening relationships and third rate players!
We're hardly in the position to be picky, I mean with our maxed out wage budget, a bunch of inept over the hill & below par players and a culture at the club that's an utter shambles. Any manager who comes here for the forseeable future is going to be managing with both hands tied behind their backs as our squad is too small, too slow, too old and too over paid to shift.
Think it will be a temp job so that's get behind the team now and the bloke who comes in 2 wins and a couple of draws should do it
16 Mar 2015 13:46:41
The axe is about to fall
But who is brave enough to take the role to the end of the season?
I would go for the best organiser that I have seen playing at sunderland
Stefan Schwartz assistant at helsingbourgs.
Or
Give it back to Bally
16 Mar 2015 14:20:32
Yes he's gone but i'd say i'd like both Congelton and Short to go too we need a footballing Chairman not a money first team fans second owner . Short has a lot to answer for and some of the names of potential managers being mentioned already say more of the same a footballing Chairman would go for a top manager !
16 Mar 2015 15:27:36
Apparentlly I hear Congleton and the board lined up Micah Richards last summer but Poyet vetoed the move saying he was uneccesary again frustrating the board and causing a rift ! Richards would have given us pace and power at right and center back !
16 Mar 2015 13:42:45
Di Canio was a lunatic and an idiot.
16 Mar 2015 14:11:55
His man management was poor but he identified all of the problems behind the scenes.
We may have gone down last season with him in charge but all of the dross would be gone and we would have a tram of players wanting to try their hardest for the club.
16 Mar 2015 13:03:31
Catch 22, or just when you thought it could not get any worse.
It is a sobering thought that a combination of Short's dithering, Poyet's incompetence and the players spineless, woeful performances mean that in looking for a new manager we are not so much scraping the bottom of the barrel as looking underneath it to see if anything fell out through a crack. How can it be that a club that regularly has more than 40,000 home gates and can take as many as 8000 fans with them to the far end of the country has become so unattractive to manage? Redknapp? Advocaat? You have to be joking! Hoddle, Curbishley- might as well take Hansen now he has given up the TV work! Big Sam- yes, because we love the fluent football his sides play.
The truth is that Short is again too late, and so will end up doing too little. Just as we failed to act when players who could have improved the side were available, we missed the boat when experienced managers that might have brought some discipline to the to the side were looking for work. The club is a shambles from top to bottom, and has had no effective leadership since Short took over.
What we need now is not another quick fix attempt that will end in tears. We need to bring in someone with a long term plan who may see us go down- after all there are not three worse sides in the division- but will root out the culture of complacency, get rid of the bloated egos and bring back discipline, pride and urgency to the dressing room.
16 Mar 2015 11:18:13
Hi bobstokoe1973,
Thanks for your comment, the point is most of us fans, I mean real fans are not daft and can see where the problems lie, and I think because of the money now involved in football, clubs are scared of losing.
To be honest if I was Poyet I would tell the players to go out and bust a gut in every game from now on, it is far better to "win one" and "lose one" than to "draw two".
Looking at the papers this morning it looks like you are stuck with Poyet unfortunately, I still think it is worth a try to tempt Sam away from West Ham with a big money short term offer, and the prospect of a 5 year contract on survival, it has to be worth a shout, you don't even have to phone him you are going to his bloody house next week.
I hope I am welcome on your site, I have a few chatty buddies on other football sites and have been made very welcome, after all we are a breed on our own loving a working mans game, I am Villa through and through but also love football in general.
I know you guys are passionate about your team and so you should be, you are a great football club with a great tradition, and I wish you well.
16 Mar 2015 13:02:18
We need SOMETHING urgently !!! I think the long term problem is Ellis Short the chairman as he's only interested in the money not the team or fans and I wish we had Nial Quinn back at the helm ! until we have a new board that's interested in the football side we will continue to struggle as remember its Ellis Short that's brought these managers in ! so perhaps mr Short should look at his position !
16 Mar 2015 09:02:08
OK. Lots of posts and replies here so I thought I would put my views across.
Saturday was the first time I have ever left a match early (80 mins so I lasted longer than most) The strange thing was that up until their first goal it was us with the momentum and looking likely to score.
Then came the usual 'Lets attack Sunderland down their left' routine as we were lopsided with no balance in the team. PVA is asked to attack then has no cover to help defend. As with QPR we were reaped down our left.
I dislike the turnover in managers as it provides no stability to the club but I am now in the club of time for Gus to go. He has lost the fans and by the looks of it the players as they have no idea what they are meant to be ding on the pitch. His one dimensional tactics do not work and his reluctance to use any on the U21 players baffles me.
We have a squad devoid of confidence as I am sure some of the players are much better than current performances. It therefore has to come down to coaching, formation and the wrong mentality.
I always believe that Paulo Di Canio was right in his methods. He identified that the club had issues behind the scenes (Fitness, Drinking, Diet and so on) and was trying to eradicate it. The only problem was his methods and man management were not up to it. Had they been better then we would have had a different squad of players now who would probably fight and give 100% every match.
I don't want us to get relegated but if we do it might just give the kick up the arse needed to clear out all of the high earning, over the hill, alcoholic playboy players we have and start afresh with new young and hungry talent.
To conclude I am actually struggling to name another first team player I would keep other than Cattermole.
Dire times for the club and until they clear out the players instead of the managers we will remain in this position.
16 Mar 2015 13:24:08
Talking of Ellis Short he couldn't even be bothered to be there on Saturday for a crunch match and that says it all ! is he really bothered about what the fans feel ??