23 Sep 2013 22:44:10
I agreed with the contributor who mentioned Gary Neville to be appointed however two names in the Championship who I rate highly but on this occasion will be not the right fit are Sean Dyche at Burnley and Eddie Howe at Bournemouth.
These two young managers will make top Premiership bosses in the not to distant future however SAFC 2013/14 is a year or so too soon for either of them. PITY!
Sunderland Banter Archive September 23 2013
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23 Sep 2013 22:29:09
if mclaren is our next manager I will never support the club again I would not put him in charge of a brush never mind our club
I really think a lot of the posts on here are missing a major point, we brought in around 14 players in the summer, di canios so called revolution, a new manager comes in whoever that turns out to be, how many of these 14players will he fancy?based on ability or current form none!how much more money would short give the new manager to sort out this absolute mess?we are a laughing stock plain and simple, did nobody from the club quiz anyone at swindon about di canios management style, his so called passion?we continue to blunder from one disaster to the next, no long term plan, try and take a look at socalled smaller clubs for a master plan, swansea, southampton, norwich, stoke. we have no real pattern of play, no idea of best formation, just a scatter gun approach and ITS NOT WORKING.
Wtf what sort of fan are you I support Newcastle no matter what happens
How do you know what long term plans the club has?
PDC was the right man to keep us in the Prem. Look at how badly Shearer fared.
Short was spot on with his appointment.
( I was one that said it was wrong ).
Is it not possible that Short knew exactly what PDC was like, but the first priority was survival? He was right.
He gave PDC chance to keep the position but acted swiftly when things went tits up.
I applaud him.
I also would like to thank PDC and wish him well.
He turned out to be a hero but unfortunately his man management skills let him down.
Would mr short have thought paolo was only a short term fix i. e save the club from relegation and then give him the green light to virtually overhaul the entire playing squad, including two January signings shipped out on loan if he knew that the appointment was not long term, no way. we have no idea of the way forward, and as for the mag fan commenting i, m a season ticket holder and never miss a game home or away, I think that gives me the right to have a say.
23 Sep 2013 21:43:40
I backed di canio all the way and I will with every Sunderland boss. I was gutted to see him go but we have to move on, pulis should get the job he is tough and can get his squad motivated, plus he would work on defending set pieces (which we struggle at alot). Safc93
23 Sep 2013 21:08:40
I want Tony Pulis and peter Reid as assistant. Yes I'm aware its not pretty and he's not liked at sunderland but he bought mediocre players FROM SUNDERLAND and turned them into good players. We had delap and I didn't even know he could throw long until he went to stoke.
At least under pulis we would have a game plan, although not pretty effective, hard working, motivated players. Team spirit.
We would be tough and would get stuck in with tackles etc, come on sunderland fans love a tackle as much as a goal.
Stoke had an awesome passionate crowd under pulis and a great feared home record. Pulis could make the sol a fortress and make it feared again like it was under Reid.
Di matteo was a failure at wba and won the champions league with someone else's team, Mclaren in a bore and a negative one at that, Neil Lennon is unproven as is Gary Neville another mooted, Nigel Pearson no thanks. Poyet yeah maybe but just think we need Prem experience with a proven manager.
I have always wanted pulis but don't think that many others would
7SAFC7
Our situation is best suited for pulis, hard gritty fight is what we need atm. Safc93
Pulis no thanks, Peter Reid yes, best manager we have had without a doubt.
Sort our fu*king defence out
Pulis is the man not some foreigner with a fancy name, or a has been like mclaren.
He would give us tackles, wing play with Johnson on the LEFT taking people on getting crosses in the box. A game plan. Organised defence and attack.
The sol can become feared.
Why do people slag off Pullis, decent manager who gets his players to graft, yes he likes the long ball game but if it works why knock it, done good at Stoke when no cash was available so he could be good for us.
I would love Reidy back as he got SAFC playing good football when every team in the EPL said playing SAFC was a hard game everytime.
Lets get behind Bally for now and hope he can pick up a point from the scousers, things can only get better in the coming months.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but Pulis never had 'no cash available' as Stoke were backed by an extremely wealthy man who has put a lot of money into the club!}
23 Sep 2013 21:04:14
While it rapidly became obvious that waving and shouting from the dugout is no substitute for picking and organising the team according to their strengths, rather than his prejudices, and that ridicule and humiliation are not reliable motivators, Di Canio is only partly responsible for the mess we are in. The lack of targeted recruitment during the summer was another contributing factor, when new names appeared in rumour columns every day, but the enduring defensive problems- no comfortable LB and no-one with any pace at the centre of the defence- were not resolved. But that said, the players need to take a long look at themselves. O'Shea has been what he is- too old, too slow and a poor organiser of the back line- I don't blame him for that- but he should not have been in a Premier league squad for two years or more and considering what he is paid he should be willing to clean the toilets if asked to, not behaving like a drag queen. Being past it is not a crime- being past it and acting like a turnip is. And that is at the root of the problem, too many players who do face up to their limitations and are not prepared to work hard to make up for them. Too easy to blame the foreign players brought in- the established squad bear most of the responsibility.
God knows where we go from here. Short has made some very foolish decisions. We may well have been better off without his money if it meant a healthier and more honest culture at the club- look at Norwich, West Brom, Swansea, or even Everton; you don't need huge amounts of money if everyone at the club pulls their weight.
Totally agree
23 Sep 2013 18:26:36
Only ones I would go for would be
Mancini
Di Mattaeo
Alladyce
23 Sep 2013 17:38:36
It may have been a roller coaster and he has indeed left us but I will remember PAOLO for the 0-3 win against the great unwashed - people will talk about it for years to come. Thank you PAOLO and good luck son - the players weren't good enough to understand your philosophy nor lace your boots but they'll all be pitching up soon with their stories about you. Quite frankly, they are a disgrace to their disgraceful profession - money grabbing, unfit, unhealthy, untalented and overrated prima donnas! No one will remember their names but we will remember you PAOLO. Bing
Shows how small the mentality of some of your fans and your club that your willing to overlook how terrible a manager is just because he beat newcastle.
Touch embarrassing really.
He wasn't that terrible! He kept us up, something your hero Shearer couldn't do for you lot. And I don't care how bad a manager is, there is just no excuse for bringing in Joke Kinnear, and as for Pardwho, total yes man. Something Paolo never was.
Massive bite to the second post. Calm yourself down.
23 Sep 2013 16:53:56
I don't think its fair to shoulder all the blame on pdc yes he is the manager and its down to him to pick the team. he put his trust and faith in those lads who he picked and they have let him the club and the most important people the fans down. they have been a total shambles and should be ashamed to call themselves sunderland players. I just hope that whoever gets the job realises the players who he inherits are like judas comes to mind.
23 Sep 2013 10:49:36
I think we should hang on a couple of weeks and after defeats to WBA and Sunderland in the next fortnight we could pick up Moyes! ;-)
, Man U wouldn't sack Moyes. who would they replace him with?
I admire your gallows humour.
Why moyes mate the club needs a manager who is a winner not an also ran di matteo fits the bill perfect along with mancini
Have you seen Di Matteos record prior to Chelsea? Its dire. You could be in charge of that chelsea team and do alright.
He is another Avram Grant.
23 Sep 2013 10:17:46
I'll probably get slaughtered for this, but does anyone else think that the club should go and get Roberto Mancini? He's out of work with experience of premier league management, didn't do a bad job in his last appointment. got to be better than some of the names being touted for the job. ok he's going to cost and take some persuading to come here, but we could at least ask the question.
Big managers want BIG transfer kitties, as in 10s of millions, not something SAFC can or will do.
He wouldn't come to the North East of England. And Sunderland have a habit of firing managers every 1-2 seasons
Hes been linked with us before and he said he would be flatterd by the job but instead we gave the job to Steve Bruce
Inter Milan, Man City, linked to monaco and now Sunderland. Not sure about that.
23 Sep 2013 10:15:18
We have to quickly bring back the moral that has supposedly been lost over the last weekend, yes I know players should now and previously have fought their own corner more, especially for the fans who pay a fortune to follow them through good times and bad.
Im not sure Roberto Di Matteo is the right choice, I would go for a top manager, someone who has proved himself in the best leagues. We definitely don't want and abject failure in McClaren, a bore man in Pulis or Poyet, yes Di Matteo would fit, but I believe if we can't progress with a really top target then Maybe we should look at Rene Muelensteen, he has coached the best, his tactics and man management are first class and he has worked with one of the best managers the premiership has ever had. I know he may be seen as untested by many, but is he really? We have a Director of Football, now we need a man that can make things happen on the pitch, I believe Rene is the man to make it all come together and get the team working the premiership way.
Please let it be someone who understands that you can't win games in the EPL with 2 midfielders, two wingers and two up top. This system was doomed from the start. I believe we have a chance of survival and need to look at Southampton as the model. Completely outplayed Liverpool and we couldn't get the ball off them. If its possible there, then why not at SOL. It p. es me off!
Who's our director of football? All of Paolo's staff left with him
Second post I agree, think he would be the better choice out of the names been threw about, we will just have to hope short stops messing about and goes all out on a proven good boss, we need someone who the players look up to not scared of.
I wouldn't call them players mate overpaid prima donas who don't like the truth told about them last week I said that pdc might be the one who throws the toys out the pram how wrong I was its turned out to be the people we are employing and calling themselves players. at least dick turpin wore a mask
SAFC website still has Di Fanti named as Director of Football
That's the problem of being the first club to sack your manager, there's no one available to replace them! Look at the betting; McLeish, Pulis, McLaren, Lennon, Pearson, Reid, Quinn, O'Neill, McCoist. really? It doesn't bode well when Poyet and Di Matteo are as good as it gets. Whoever it was suggested it at the top of this post, Meulensteen not actually a bad shout.
23 Sep 2013 09:28:53
13 new players, no manager, no coaching team, no direction, and its still September?
If this really was a players revolt we need to know who the ringleaders were, and they should never wear the shirt again. In fact I hope Kevin Ball takes them into the car park and beats the s*** out of them.
To everyone applauding what's happened, just look at the complete mess we are in now. Is any half decent manager going to walk into this shambles, knowing there's a kingmaker in the dressing room? Those players should have been getting their heads down and working instead of moaning about the nasty manager. Are they going to work the new manager? Its unbelievable.
No manager worth anything is going to walk into this shambles. Someone else's unproven squad, bottom of the table and with no money available. The choice will be some 'has been' trying to whore himself one last time or another PDC from the lower leagues risking his reputation to make it the EPL and then move to another club. Sorry for the pessimism lads but its all got too much.
{Ed025's Note - the sunderland job, even at the moment, is a great chance for a manager to prove his worth, and with the likes of di matteo, poyet, and even Mclaren chomping at the bit for a shot at it, im sure you will attract a very decent manager..good luck guys..
I agree
Can't say I'm excited at Di Matteo, Poyet or McClaren.
Di matteo is a winner
Tell that to his mk dons team.
23 Sep 2013 09:38:56
Well I am disgusted with the full club at the minute. And here is why: -
Our fans are a fickle as the skunks. PDC was our saviour and now he was crap and had to go. Grow up, support your team, and back whoever is in charge instead of rolling with whatever bandwagon is rolling through the rumours page.
The Players. They get paid a stupendous amount of money so I do not care of they dislike being told they can not drink, must change their diet and need to train harder to earn their place in the team. They should have done exactly what they were told and as SAF has stated, control should never be ceded to the players and in this case it has been.
PDC. He had a single minded vision but unfortunately did not have the man management skills to enforce it. His ethos was correct but his methods were not practical.
The Board. I hope that they come out with a direct statement for the reasons behind the dismissal. My personal view is that there was a players revolt and along with the fans reaction at WBA they felt they had no choice.
Overall, I think PDC needed a good talking too from Ellis Short and should have been made to change some of his methods rather than being sacked, and I think the players should have been told to follow him or they would class it as breach of contract.
My final point is, much as I liked his ethos, the constant tinkering, players in and out of favour, had started to give me concerns as it did seem to be PDC above the club and players at all times. There is control and there is arrogance and PDC unfortunately bordered too close to the arrogance.
Never forget the 0-3 last season though :-)
By the end of your comment you begin to understand why he had to go.
Agree 100%
Excellently put we the fans can be fickle and maybe with many we can change at the drop of a hat!
Your comment about the players is spot on, they get payed a huge amount and are lucky enough to play a game they love (or should love) not shift work etc. So they should commit 100% to what is asked, not throw there dummy out of the pram because it doesn't suit their life style, or upsets their time off.
But maybe your last paragraph says it all, tinkering and the potential to arrogance and being portrayed as bigger than the club, led to his downfall.
We all the blame for the mess we are in because we wanted bruce out and oniel and we got someone that could not cutted in di canio we should have giving bruce and oniel more time to turn things around.
I got behind bruce and oneill I wasn't one of the boo boys but in steve bruce the guy is a manger of high respect to me but that borders on him being a good championship manager and an average premiership one as for mon well most fans wanted him for years and I for one would have thought under different times he would have been the one but how could we employ a manager who only turned up on a Friday if we played Saturday and a Saturday if we played sunday. let's hope the next man we get is well thought of and he is not a rush job as we have become a laughing stock after yesterdays debacle
Agreed with PDC that the players needed sorting out as they were unfit and undisciplined. However his methods were crazy. I've been on here before saying that there is a fine line between genius and lunacy and where I hoped we had a genius it turns out we had a loony.
I admit I supported him til the end and will do the same for the next manager but if its true that he lost the dressing room in dramatic style then he had to go. (Looking at Westy at the end of the game I don't think I've ever seen a player so disillusioned. )
23 Sep 2013 09:31:35
Feel sorry for Di Canio. Still love the guy and his passion. He gave me the greatest footballing day of my life and I wish him all the best. That said, I am pretty sure we were going down under him, and although we're still in a real state, this decision gives us a far better chance of staying up, which at the end of the day is what it's all about. Ha'way the lads!
23 Sep 2013 08:39:30
jesus that was swift does anyone else think regardless of immediate results they could see a team coming together
I for one was impressed with our performance against arsenal but decisions and the run of the ball didn't go our way but we looked like a decent side.
I think sess getting the opener against us was his final nail in the coffin but players have got way too much command these days, I now hope we don't get pulis
very worried now
I hope the players who had a hand in engineering this are proud of themselves this morning, can just picture them arriving at the training ground in their expensive cars grinning at each other. Back on the p**s then is it lads?Shame on them.
Time to recall Danny Graham and N'Diaye from their loans?
N'Diaye can come back graham can stay at hull tho
23 Sep 2013 07:58:20
Tony Pulis to be named new Sunderland manger.
The club isn't that stupid
I don't think so
{Ed024's Note - I wouldn't rule him out - we need someone with experience.}
Yes but not pulis for gods sake, that man gives a new meaning to hoof ball and he would try and sign huth who is a bully only good thing is he might get Jones back from stoke
Might sort our defence out
23 Sep 2013 07:41:38
Who does everyone think will be the next manager di Matteo? Mclaren? Poyet?
Hopefully Di Matteo
As they want a new Manager by Sunday I think Di Fanti has his mate Di Matteo lined up. This would not be a bad appointment but I would prefer Steve McClaren. He was out of his depth with England (who isn't) but he was very good as no. 2 at Man. U, at Boro and at FC Twente. Also, being from York he is nearly one of us. He is a good tactician. Paulo brought in some decent players but did not use them properly. I think McClaren would.
23 Sep 2013 05:27:02
here goes, my chance to get slated. Pullis next manager. he has EPL experience and did well with Stoke for quite a few seasons.
DiMatteo won a major cup but with someone elses team and did nowt at WBA.
Poyet has no EPL expereince
McLaren. muppet
Reid. would love him back but I don't think he would return.
Anyone else have any thoughts on this, my head says Pullis but my heart goes to Peter Reid as would a lot of SAFC supporters.
Cmon ES put us out of our misery quickly and appoint someone to get things working
{Ed024's Note - Given what we need Pullis could be a good shout.}
23 Sep 2013 00:07:44
I love him and I hate him
There were reasons he had to go
There were reasons he had to stay
But if the club have no plan and appoint someone like McCarthy or Pearce I will litteraly beat the sh*t out of them with a bag of bars of soap
{Ed024's Note - I'd like to see Neil Lennon but with Celtic guaranteed the title every season why would he leave ? Pulis might be in the running - after PDC we need someone with experience.}