15 Sep 2013 20:31:00
Got some very worrying news. I this afternoon at a pub in yarm have been talking to Johnson and cattermole. I have friends who are friends of Cattermole. Was having a pint with them and catts is a regular, well he was before he's pub ban during he's boro days. Anyway he was with johnson and they both soon found out I was a sunderland fan and got a photo etc got chatting.
Cut a long story short, big unrest in the squad. Di canio treats he's players and staff like crap. Humiliating the players in front of each other. He's hated. Players want out. Vaughan wasn't subbed at half ttime he refused to go out for the second half.
I said my loyalty lies with the players and I hope they still perform for the fans we come tto support the team not dicanio and I worry me may go down for a lack of effort. They said that goes without saying saying the players want to win etc don't worry about that. Talked about many things not just football didn't want to bore them and I sensed they were uncomfortable talking about safc anyway.
Now you probably won't believe me fine, but ED will confirm by my previous posts that I'm a sunderland fan, so why would I lie? I promise you its the truth.
Cattermole is back in full training, why would he be in a pub
{Ed001's Note - do you seriously believe the players don't go to the pubs? Johnson was booted out of Citeh for drinking too much, he fell out with Mancini over it. Bannan was dropped by Villa for constantly heading up to Glasgow for nights out on the lash. I really don't think that is a part of the story you can pick at. Players are always out in the pubs, just look at Carroll and Nolan always hammered in Nolan's parents pub.}
If they all hate him
Why haven't we heard out about it
I know this is complete none sense
If Any of that was true, it would go straight back to Ellis Short, and if he is causing as much damage as you say he is, he would have been sacked weeks ago, you really haven't thought this through
Ed, I invite you to look at his previous comments to see if he is one of us
But, even if you are, you're probably one of those who ain't giving Paolo a chance and just making up this nonsense to indoctrinate the rest of us into believing what you want us to believe
KEEP THE FAITH
{Ed001's Note - we did check, all the other messages from his IP were very much biased towards Sunderland.}
You say Vaughan refused to go back on, Paolo would have took him off anyways
And if his attitude in the dressing room is affecting the players so badly what the hell happened in the second half, if they hate him so much and have no confidence at all, were they taking adrenalin pills??
Paolo is not the type of man to put an arm round ya and give u sympathy, we all know that, but he certainly isn't the monster you make him out to be. I see him as more of a drill Sargent, he will stand right up to ya, give ya one hell of a pep talk and slap ya in the face, he will criticise you when deserved as all good managers do, look at Fergie and the hair dryer treatment, every player who has recieved it has come out a better player and all have the greatest respect for him for doing that, a few of the Man Utd players have slammed Moyes for not doing so
But the monster you make him out to be is unfair, if he does or did what you said he did, he would of got sacked before the game had bl**dy finished!
Yes ed, NIGHTS
they will be training all bl**dy afternoon man
We would of heard about it by now, an entire team doesn't hate the manager in 5mins
I hope you are wrong
Just a theory
If he is willing to publicly slam his players why doesn't he say what you say he says in the dressing room
(I think I worded that right)
We all know he probably would
You are a Sunderland fan
But how many times have we heard over this summer, "just seen Defoe in Newcastle airport", "Bent is staying in Seaham hall getting ready to sign for us", "a friend if mine to do with the club has told me that we are going to sign Koke for Atletico Madrid and Rakatik from Seviella"
Every single one has been bs
This one probably is too, I hope it is too
{Ed003's Note - Instead of insulting someone for posting a rumour why not ask more Q's about it? If the op wants to get reply to them that is.}
What players want out?
If Vaughan refused to go on, why haven't we heard about it? You tend to hear about these things straight away, especially when the press are trying to gun down PDC and the club?
What over things did you talk about? Why did ya stop, that's a great opportunity to give us some detailed info
It was very silly to say these things with the press looking for anything to strike a blow at us, if this gets out somehow there will be hell on
I could see him giving the players a hard time if they under perform but why his staff?
There ya go ed, I did what you asked
Taking an objective view on the above controversial post i'd say time will tell as if its true these things will come out in the open!. mind when a team isn't doing well these rumours surface and when they are doing well and everything in the garden is rosey then we can beat the world. hopefully PDC can get it right but his record of 2 wins in 11 matches in charge isn't good and surely if his job is on the line than the person who hired him would be as well?. itll be an interesting if nervous next 2 months?
Actually Vaughn had a stinker in midweek for Wales so why play a player out of form?
Not one of you have challenged/read this rumor without casting aspersions about what 'you want' to believe.
The least bias comment on here seems to be the original post. The rest of you seem desperate to not believe the rumor because it simply does not fit in with your fantasy for the club.
PDC was not liked at his previous club for the very same reasons stated, and you cannot liken him to Alex Ferguson who was firm but fair. The majority of players that have played under Ferguson have nothing but glowing things to say about him.
There are obviously problems there, why else would he bring in 14 players and still complain about the tools he has been given?
I thought all of this was common knowledge about PDC. He was only at the club 5 minutes and he was already being investigated by the PFA for what he was getting up to with the players.
PDC seems more concerned with niggling his players than what happens during those important 90 minutes.
Why does everybody think that if Vaughan refused to play the 2nd half the rags would have been all over it? The rags can spy on training sessions etc, but they cannot get into club dressing rooms at half time. Of course the papers do not know everything that happens at clubs.
The original post is extremely worrying if it is to be believed, but why make that stuff up?If David Vaughan refused to come out second half I doubt he will play for Sunderland again. let's see next week if he is played or even on the bench. If he is not then there may be something to this rumour. Chris-s.
The manager doesn't have to be liked but he does have to be respected. It is a worry considering Paolos reputation at Swindon and the rumours that have been going round about Cabral.
Dicanio needs to promote bally to matchday bench just to help him get his point over more acceptably
and to use his prem experience as a tactical advisor too
he could do this and still cope with his other duties
I totally believe the lads rumours how many Swindon fans came on here and warned us about di canio and his falling out with players there. how many people on here who went to the Fulham game thought we had signed a really good player in cabral, well obviously not di canio who said the lad has no chance of being involved in the near future something me my sons and friends find a bit strange. now I have followed sunderland for a long time have seen managers come and go some who have had the backing of the owner with funds to spend and those that haven't, some the fans loved and some the fans loathed but I have always backed who has been in charge and will get behind di canio while he is in charge but if he is losing the dressing room he will lose his job and that is a certainty.
We have just got to wait and see
It's 50/50
We all know what he is like with his past and everything but you have to think that Ellis would have heard about this and would be sacked straight away
I don't mind PDC falling out with players if we are doing well but when we aren't that is disasterous and the Cabral snub is worrying!. not good!
Any way where is Karlsson? another good player ignored?
We can't judge really, we have no idea what's happening behind the scenes
I'm not worried at all, we were told this would take time, being bottom 4 games into the season isn't worrying
Being bottom 20 games in is
He has said that he has dropped Cabral because the other players around him are doing much better than him, so he must be doing pretty sh*te if Vaughan is ahead
Well, well, well; what a missed opportunity. I wish I'd been in that pub instead of you. You see, my loyalties lie with the club and not the players. They come and go and as long as they give their all, I will have no complaint. Rather than being awestruck to be in the presence of such eminent individuals, might you not have asked Mr. Cattermole not to get booked after 10 minutes thus affecting the rest of his game? That way, 40,000 people need not perform a co-ordinated shallow intake of breath through pursed lips in an act of unison that the cast of 'River Dance' would be proud of, every time he lunges into a tackle he is clearly too late to make. Perhaps laying off the wing mirrors might also be a good idea.
I would also have relished the opportunity to ask Mr. Johnson when he might begin to repay some of the 10 million pounds my club outlayed for his services and wether or not he has ever watched the limited edition DVD 'How to Terrorise Defences' (featuring Nicky Summerbee).
So, the players don't like nasty Mr. Di Canio eh? I say the sooner they realise they don't have to like him, that he doesn't care wether they do or not, the happier they will be. They don't have to like him, but they must follow him. Maybe then they will begin to perform at a level that is expected of them and with results, maybe, just maybe, a grudging respect for Paolo will follow. Don't you agree that is the least they owe our club?
I'm the original poster. I have only posted this here, not Facebook etc because I don't want this getting out to the press. It will also come back on me and my friends won't be happy.
I didn't tell you to have a go at the players or dicanio but because it is a worry. I wanted to hear what you think and see if it is or is not a worry.
Johnson and cattermole where actually nice polite lads. Catts is quick witted and funny. Johnson is quiet but also a sound lad. They both had a couple of bottles of beer then drank orange j20. I don't get the impression they are big drinkers just a social beer.
They didn't want to talk about dicanio etc we pushed that and got out of them what I told you.
They Both hate dicanio though, Johnson hates how he treats other players ie cabral, Vaughan and thinks things should be private. Catts said in he's own words he's a bellend. Power hungry, attention seeking, thinks he's special. Apparently big john oshea was going to thump him. That explains the public apology from dicanio to oshea.
We talked about many things apart from football but that's irrelevant just pub banter.
Listen mate, 'Big' Larry Lloyd wanted to thump Coughie every week. 'Big' John will get over himself.
Good to hear Catts is 'quick witted and funny'. Wish he was a bit more quick footed, that way we wouldn't find his liability to bookings so unfunny.
As for Johnson, aye you're right about him being quiet.
This isn't so much worrying news as no news. Publish and be damned.
It is a bit unfair to slate players in front of others but Catts can't call him a bellend when he is one too!
As long as they follow him it will be fine, nobody cares if they hate him, especially PDC
My University time was like Sunderland, I wasn't doing particularly well, actually proper sh*t, I hated my teacher because she did pik on me a bit but she dragged me through it and I got an A, I only realised after I got the results all the things that she did for me, and I would've badly failed if it wasnt for her, Sunderland and the players will see the same things I did after this season
No I don't want it to go social but I posted the original post only a couple of hours after it happened and ten pints down me in hindsight I should of just kept stump.
Believe what you want unlike our manager I am not attention seeking.
I love safc LOVE, why the **** would I want to stir sh1t up?. It happened I met Johnson, cattermole and things were said about dicanio. What do you want me to do? Tell you what I will ask them to go on sky sports news and confirm they met me and say what they said to me repeat our conversation.
I don't have an ulterior motive so stop the insults. and questioning my support. Home and away I'm at the match never EVER missed a match at the sol sinced it opened league or cup.
Eh sorry for the rant above but I was replying to a post that is not there now ed must of removed it.
I agree though they don't have to like him, but we need to start winning. The players both said they give 100% in training and on the pitch.
There is a great denzel Washington film a true story- remember the titans. For different reasons the players hated the coach denzel Washington's character, didn't like he's ways, methods etc. But they gained great success and did in the end. Hopefully that's dicanio.
Sorry but why would these two players speak to a total stranger on matters like this? You could have been the press? Johnson hates DiCanio yet DiCanio gave him the captains armband on Saturday? Players refusing to come out at halftime bit of a coincidence that he`d had one hell of a stinker first half? As for the press getting hold of it I followed a link from the Sunderland Echo now I wonder who posted that?
Interesting?
Iv just read that Catts and Paolo had a real long heart to heart conversation on his future, that it was a very positive and that he has welcomed him back to the team and has assured him that if he follows what Paolo wants him to do he will be in his plans and will have a bright future with us
After giving him a huge lifeline, why would he be slagging Di Canio off
There is a missing link to all this?
I HOPE that PDC welcomes back both Catts and Bardsley as we need more British players in this team! Hopefully he's learned he can't afford to fall out with players like he did at Swindon!
Id love to see PDC prove his critics wrong but how long will Ellis Short give him?. it would be ok if we had a few points on board but if we are adrift at the bottom after 15 games the players confidence will shot!
Well firstly I'm not a total stranger am I. We share mutual friends and met in a pub and they sat with us.
I don't know what I am to do to convince you obviously I cannot and also cannot be bothered to try. Its up to you if you want to believe it. That's not the point anyway its not about me.
Another thing your telling me you have never slagged your boss off being he's back then kissed he's backside in front of him. He has a career to think about.
I repeat I have only posted this on here.
Mate I believe you but their is some people who just don't want to know if you keep getting the banter post it on here mate my sons best friend works at sunderland and he has told him there is a bit of friction at the club among certain players who are not happy but I would think you will get this at most clubs you only have to look at the rooney situation. keep posting the banter if people don't like it tough
When you are bottom of the league there is always friction!. its the confidence thing I worry about and we have a -5 goal difference after only 5 games and the one good thing last season was our excellent goal difference despite being near the bottom!
Well Ellis Short hasn't give PDC the traditional vote of confidence. yet!. I wonder why he's kept silent so far?
So what if they told you that, PDC is testing players commitment, since you posted this the other day, Catts and PDC have discussed his future and now Catts is back in the picture, Cabral respects the managers decision and will fight for his place, Celutska loves it at Sunderland, The only way for us is up and once the team gels which showed the 2nd half against arsenal the points and confidence will flow through the team and the negative fans who don't back PDC or the team. Have Faith all will come good, 4 games gone, 34 to go, unlucky against fulham, last minute goal against southampton, palace O'shea's fault and Arsenal - Martin Atkinson robbing us! plenty of positives to take and yes mate I'm the one who said you were talking bull but I will back PDC 100% unless I'm proved wrong and we fall apart. We are Sunderland and we should stick together, back the manager and the team! WE ARE SUNDERLAND AND WE ARE MACKEMS NOW CAN I GET A BIG HA'WAY THE LADS!!
Yes you are a total stranger to them anyway, mutual friends or not. I do not need convincing about anything you say its your `banter` and people will make their own minds up based on how you have expressed it. Have I slagged my boss off then kissed his backside. no actually I haven't I regard myself as a pretty honest bloke and unlike some I stick to my principles. If he/she`s an `arse` then I`ll tell him to his/her face, in a diplomatic way of course, and face the consequences with a clear conscience don't you?
He might be a little harsh but he can't be that bad
Celustka, Giaccherini, Altidore, Ki etc have all said that they are very happy with life on Sunderland, if they all hate him they wouldn't make these comments
Hate is a strong word, I think that they feel a little threatened by PDC, this shows that he is the boss, that he's got complete control of the players
Short will not sack PDC. This is a long term plan but if we are to stay up then we have to beat the teams in the lower half of the league. This starts with West Brom as a defeat will mean a gap opening up which makes it harder, also assuming we get nowt against Liverpool and Man Utd.
We are at 43 people
and still counting
keep it up people, fantastic debate
Don't shoot the messenger. I also have never slagged off my boss behind he's back and acted differently to the bosses face (maybe because I am the boss lol) but these are footballers we are talking about and they are persons the majority.
If you showed them a picture of me they would both know my name so no I'm not a total stranger. First time I met them but they knew of me. Not like that matters but just answering your points. So yes they would talk to me about safc and know I'm certainly not a reporter lol.
I was originally shocked at what they had to say, they said more than I told you but I just gave you the bigger points. Not going into detail. I was just worried but hopefully the players are professional, do their jobs, even though they hate dicanio they can still have success and work with him for the club etc.
I have employed a guy as a supervisor, can't stand him. But he delivers and makes me money and saves me money so I get on with him for the good of my company. (I'm not bragging its not a big business or anything, well not yet). Hopefully dicanio is similar to the players, staff, owner. He's not liked but they believe in him.
Dicanio is apparently, a bellend, bully, not trusted, power hungry, attention seeking, backstabbing. All used in conversation. He's hated by certain players but I get the impression they respect he's the boss so are being professional and doing their job. They don't have to like each other that just helps. Actually not being friends is better that way tthey won't get complacent.
I think from day 1 PDC knew he wasn't going to be the most popular one in the dressing room
"They don't have to like me, but they must follow me"
Also, Backstabbing
I would like to know what he does?
At the end of the day, the players need to either accept he's ways and perform or not accept he's ways and not perform and he will be sacked. So its a waiting game to see if results improve. I don't care if they hate him as long as we are winning.
There's something very fishy about this post, not one ( as far as I can tell ) geordie has had anything to say on this and the eds are being very quiet also. I'm not saying it isn't true and not saying the o. p. is a horse puncher, but surely anyone with a problem with di canio would have requested a transfer.
I don't even think if certain players hated him that it's necessarily a bad thing, because we need them to give 100% week in week out and could be a tactic to separate the wheat from the chaff.
But still why no geordie posters sticking the knife in!
Liono74
{Ed001's Note - because it would be banter, and this is the rumour page mate.}
I'm finding it strange as well
Celustka, Gardner, Alridore, Giacc and more are saying that they are living life at Sunderland and that PDC us the right man for the job and that he will bring the best out of the players
Whilst you say that Catts, Johnson, Vaughan etc all hate him
So it's either not true or exaggerated or the dressing room is split in half, which is a much worse thing!
Right I'm told dicanio is a bellend, everyone thought it anyway.
Cattermole is a nice polite lad. Drank orange juice etc well behaved and a great sense of humour.
Johnson the same as cattermole. They are sound lads. I said that from the beggining.
I don't fancy a libel case do I. Brothers a cop gave me grief earlier.
I shall not be answering anymore questions etc its none of your business or mine.
I don't know ed001 I feel like this should be on the conspiracy page (lol). Don't know whether this is true or we are being led by the nose to a conclusion we might not have reached otherwise. Was this thread moved from the banter page to this one or was it posted here originally?
If it has feathers, a beak and quacks like a duck etc.
I know too much time on the conspiracy page (lol). Who says I'm paranoid!
Keep up the good work eds.
Liono74
{Ed001's Note - it was posted here originally, but it does tie in with what a few people involved with Swindon told me about Di Canio while he was there, including a couple of the players. They were a lot more forthright about him than this though. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter if they hate him or not, what matters is how they perform on the pitch. Results will decide his future, not popularity! Oh, someone asked for Ed024's thoughts on it, I have left that post for him, in case they are wondering where it went. He was about earlier, but must have gone offline before then.}
Hmmm I'm a Geordie and I'm not convinced the OP was telling the truth
a. He seems to want people to believe him really really badly (occurs quite often in liars)
b. He mentions he doesn't want to get sued for libel as wa advised by his policeman brother but surely if what you've said is true then that can't happen, libel cases only occur when u say something that's not true or you've been gagged!
{Ed001's Note - not true, numerous cases have gone through the courts where people have been sued for libel, lost and then it has later turned out to be true. It is not about what is true in court, it is about what you can prove.}
Best thread ever. I do believe the OP and I think this has helped get some things in perspective. But I do back Paolo and I think he can make things happen here.
Yeah I get thr whole 'many an innocent man was hanged' m'larky but surely his word against his too right?
{Ed001's Note - no, burden of proof is with the person making the claims, which in this case would be the one who made the statement.}
Ed just out of interest where is Ed24 the mackem Ed?. Would be interested to hear he's thoughts etc mate.
{Ed024's Note - I am still about - just very busy with work so not getting as much time to do the editing - should be back to normal next week !!!!!!!!!}
Maximum respect to the original poster, it must have taken a lot of courage to post this in the first place! Gives me a little more hope for humanity and the future, sometimes the right thing to do isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do.
Well done my friend!
Liono74
ED why no new posts posted in last few days we seem to have just one long one!?
{Ed024's Note - Can only post what the fans send in - it has been a bit sliw}
Yes hopefully PDC WILL make it happen here but will it be in the Premiership or the Championship?
So you say Di Canio is a bellend and Cattermole is a nice polite guy who drinks orange juice!
So why was he banned from every pub in Stockton Borough for 3 years and then had it extended to 4 years. Then goes running around Newcastle vandalising cars. Would you think he was a nice polite guy if it was your car he vandalised?
No, its not Di Canio but Catts who is the bellend.
No problem Ed 24 you get the balance right mate. Sorry to bother you Just wondered where you were pal.
Anyone else think the OP is a bit foolish? Going to get in trouble.
Iv been waiting all week for something to come up proving his point but there hasn't, in fact it's the opposite, more and more players are praising Di Canio saying that he will get the job done and how everyone is loving life on Sunderland
I agree with the 59th post (yes I counted). Making Cattermole captain did this club no credit at all. We need players who can behave like professional athletes. He doesn't have the self discipline.
Great, now I got to count 59 posts down to see what you agreed with
How many games does people think Catts will have before he is red carded?. under 5 I feel?
If we don't win at West Brom tomorrow the knives will be out for PDC?. hope he has his body armour on lol!
Does anyone know when was the last time we were at the bottom in the premier league?. I can't remember if we were!
Normally, an issue like this would have been picked up by the media very quickly. A disgruntled player would soon make contact with a friendly journalist. Cattermole is a good player (unlike that overrated cheat Summerbee) but he struggles to impress PDC.
I have no doubt PDC is unpopular. But most of the unrest at Sunderland is entirely due to the stupid amount of transfers made.
Simply put: the club has made too many signings over the summer. The Board has been craven in giving in to PDC. The Board need to stand up to PDC and block any more transfer activity until the summer, until PDC has proven he can deliver a cohesive and effective team.
Last time we were bottom of the premier league was probably Mick McCarthy era. The current team doesn't have that defeated look about them. Di Canio will be given more time.
I agree with the above post but we need to get points soon!
Agree with the post about too many signings remember QPR? and look what happened to them! We need quality not quantity!
With QPR it wasn't about how many signings, it's because they weren't interested, they moved for the ridiculous wages, ours didn't as we didn't offer any, PDC made sure all of his players are on board and ready for action, which is exactly why he booted Sess out
We needed quantity as well. The squad was far too small and you can't buy a squad full of big names
Another dismal performance I think PDC is out of his depth in this league and Ellis Short made a big mistake hiring him. !
Ed, I know this is a daft question, but is there a longest thread record?
{Ed024's Note - No ....bt this one would be a contender......could it have been this thread that started to undermine PDC ???????}
To the original poster looks like you were right. Well done glad to have honest truthful rumours. Respect.
Op arrange a meeting with your pals cattermole and johnson in the pub at yarm. Or better still register on here you obviously DO have inside info. Keep posting.
The ORIGINAL poster got slated for his inside info, well he was right, wasnt he. so how daft do you all feel now eh?
Im the original poster, I have broken my silence to say I told you so lol.
It seems Cattermole told Dicanio to he's face at the training ground what he told me in the pub. Wondering if he's conversation with me led to the conversation with Paolo. Especially with it happening only a week later.
Told you last week it was an unhappy hostile camp at sunderland. Told you the players hated him and a revolt was only a matter of time.
I knew he would be sacked but expected another three or four games. The way the players talked to me about him I knew he wouldn't last.
Hopefully now you see not all rumours you hear are bull and mine was the truth. The things you don't like to hear are normally the truth.
Expect some dirt to be dished out from the players on Dicanio some shocking stuff.
This appears to have been 100% true