Sunderland Rumours Archive September 25 2013

 

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25 Sep 2013 18:58:41
Poyet in talks hope not don't want him or his horrible little mate wise any where near our club. DI matteo or Zola for me.

Chris73

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Isn't Poyet like Di Canio

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Yep too similar surely Ellis Short knows that?

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Does he know what he's doing?

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He's nowhere near as bad as Di Canio!

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I want Martin Oneil back, don't care what any of you say he was the right man to take us forward, fair enough it a results business but I honestly don't think we would be sitting bottom if Oneil was still there he would have easily kept us up last year, to replace him with Di Canio was a joke! Also people saying Gary Neville, have we not learned in the past by appointing Keane & Di Canio, is our club a try out for rookies! As I said would love & welcome Oneil back can't see it happening though, so the man for me would have to be Tony Pulis, love his passion as for Gus Poyet would be another disaster in the making & Di Matteo not the man either, a champions league winning manager! Don't make me laugh, AVB won that not him! Really angry with the owners not moaning just angry, Niall Quinn got slated for how he ran club & the current regime are no better! Mackem72

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He's part of the cockney mafia so no thanks

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{Ed024's Note - Poyet may be a few things - but just cos he played for Chelsea doesn't make him one of the cockney mafia.}

Poyet is a very astute and clever coach
dicanio was just a ranting inflexible fool
ive got a feeling short is going to keep it in house though and promote bally

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How about Poyet as manager and Bally as his assistant?

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Ill give Bally a shout at least it will stabilise the team. but results may dictate otherwise!

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Yes I thought the MON sacking was premature aswell!. problem is managers are judged on results!

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Really surprised Kevin Ball hasn't been appointed a manager of a lower leauge club already as he's already shown his credentials as the reserve and u21 manager! I think hell do well at any club!

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The fact that anyone could wish for MON to return (which thankfully is not going to happen) shows how depressed fans are with the way the club has been managed for many years now- do we really think clueless but dignified management is any better than clueless but ranting management?
The sad truth is that it is no easier to attract the kind of manager we would like than it is to attract the kind of players we want to see here. A feature of the summer's frantic activity was that mostly the first choices (and often the second and third) said 'no'. Despite Paulo's many failings, he might still be in a job if some of his targets had joined.
Somehow we have to break out of this cycle of poor management making poor use of poor players. I am not sure that any manager has magic wand- I wonder how Fergie would have got on with the shower we have?- but, at the margin, sensible selection, organisation and tactics probably can make the difference between staying up and relegation. So we need someone sensible. Of course, it would help if there was player who could rise above the dross we have become accustomed to and lead us forward on the field- as Benteke did at Villa last year, or Williams did at Southampton, but as we have seem to have virtually no progression from the academy inside the club and can't seem to pick up nuggets from elsewhere either, this seems unlikely to happen.
I have followed this team for more than fifty years, and some things have never changed. We have had chairmen who were more interested in projecting themselves than in effective stewardship of this great club. We have had some of the worst managers in football. We have regularly signed players well past their best, who enjoyed a well paid early retirement wearing red and white stripes. I hoped with Short and a 'young player' transfer policy things might be changing, but Paulo and the big girls in the dressing room soon put an end to that.
So come on Mr Short, when you bought this club you bought with it the hopes of a hard-working, fiercely loyal community, who just want to see that everyone in their team is working as hard as they do. We don't expect to win every game, but we do expect to look like we were trying to win every game. We know that everyone makes mistakes occasionally, but don't see why game after game should be lost because of basic errors. We know players need confidence to give their best, but are fed up with the bloated yet fragile egos of so-called star players (Mr Quinn, who was a wonderful servant of this club, please note that defending them does you no credit).
What we want is an experienced manager who will get strong and continuing support from the Board to re-shape the team, even if we have to spend a season in the Championship to complete the job. If we can see that there is a plan, that we are building the core of a Premier squad, the fans will be forgiving and faithful. But we cannot continue to career from one crisis to another, with the same clueless team management and the same senior players short-changing us on the field every week. So stop looking at managers who are out-of-work, cheap and available, and pay what it costs to bring in a manager with experience, and with enough stature to be in charge of his own dressing room.

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Sorry but MON was not committed to the club. I was personally overjoyed when he was appointed as I believed he would take us to the next level. This however did not happen, his tactics were negative and his transfer policy was poor.

There were also rumours that his wife was unfortunately ill again so he only attended match days and was not at the club any other time. Also, without his usual number two the coaching was poor for the players we did have.

To be honest I have no idea who the new manager should be. We are limited to those who are unemployed as we can not afford to but someone out of their current role. RDM was poor at WBA and is not the man IMO, Pulis (according to current reports) had lost the Stoke dressing room due to his negative football tactics and methods, McClaren who did have a good club record (if you chose to ignore him with England) has since struggled at club level, Poyet brings with him the issues he had at Brighton so could be another PDC, McCleish I do not think I even need to comment on, and Mancini or Sven would require large salary with huge transfer budgets, and that is if they would even consider taking on the challenge. I also do not think Bally is ready yet. He is doing a great job coaching the youth teams but without experience as a manager anywhere else I would not want to risk him cutting his teeth with us and losing his cult hero status.

I think we are stuck between a rock and a hard place but whoever we appoint, us the fans, need to get behind and support them 100%. This does not mean spout off we will be top of the league and we have a new saviour as this just mimics our deluded SGB neighbours.

Either way, FTM and Haway the Lads!

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I am surprised to hear Sunderland fans say MON was not committed to the club.

He could have done a lot better than Sunderland, he had his pick of work, but opted for you lot because that is where his heart was.

Just to add, MON's touchline theatrics were geniune, not like PDC who probably rushed home to watch replays of himself and read all the papers to see if there was a picture of himself on the back page.

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Read the content of the post, he unfortunately had higher priorities in his life to put before the club.

Also, he was without John Robertson for the first time so to me he was found wanting without him!

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A lot of people don't seem to remember that we took a massive gamble on mon the guy has a family issue which meant he only turned up for training the day before the game I for one wanted him to succeed as I do with anyone who gets the job as for the few persons slating pdc what were you doing on derby day when pdc was sliding along the floor on his knees I know what I was doing

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25 Sep 2013 10:09:41
Poyet looks like it a done deal, good source!

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I hope that's not tomato sauce?! Actually, PDC has gone so it's ok!lol

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A bad move I feel. but Bally should be made assistant manager as he's done wonders with the youngsters!

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What did Poyet actually get sacked for at Brighton? One thing we should have learned is we need to look at what sort of man we are hiring and how he has conducted himself in the past.

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Think he could do a good job for you.

Hope he gets it and then he will not try to get compensation from BHA through the courts.

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Poyet was quoted as saying he had taken Brighton as far as he could, but he was still under contract. (Same time Stoke were drawing up a short list, strangely enough lol)

Soon as Brighton found a replacement, they got rid of him.

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Apparently fell out with the board.
Not sure about this.

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The reason Gus Poyet was sacked at Brighton was Gross misconduct. Talking to other teams whilst in contract, not asking permission. Going into the dressing room before the Palace game and telling players he doubt's he will be here next season, argueing with Tony Bloom about following year Transfer Budget knowing full well FFP ruling in place and we building a 15 million pound training groud and screaming at players. But other than that a good manager.

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Gus got the sack at bha and he won't last till xmas at sunderland would be a poor appointment. just can't see the point its becoming worse than the comical board at st james park but then again that's what happens when you put a women in charge of anything to do with football.

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Surely Short will look at the "dressing room " incident with Poyet and feel are we hiring a PDC mark 2? not sure about this it could be out of the frying pan into the fire scenario! . let Bally take the helm for a while and make the correct choice!

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