Sunderland Banter Archive September 20 2011

 

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20 Sep 2011 22:42:15
Why has Gyan felt the need to speak to the press again about leaving Sunderland? He's old news now, we've moved on. Someone tell him we are not interested.

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Bad blood, he dislikes Bruce. We blocked his move to them up the road and Spurs. Interesting what his agent is saying re when he committed his future the club promising Gyan bruce would be gone by the beginning of the season...what the F*CK!!

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What a load of Bull. As if Sunderland would get rid of there manger for 1 player who had a half decent season. So what his agent is saying is not in the slightest bit interesting. If he wanted to go to a bigger premier league club he would have done what Modric has and got his head down to make himself an irresistable proposition come January/ the summer- in the hope a club would make an offer SAFC couldn't refuse. Instead he has taken a big fat pay cheque to play infront of a couple of hundred people a week. Also he signed and committed his future to sunderland well before this summer. If you believe what the press is reporting then you're a mug I'm afraid. Why would quinny and Short allow Bruce to bring in 10 players and spend 20mill if they intended on getting a different manager?

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Sorry mate I disagree. We have now lost 3 top strikers who all say they couldn't work with the manager. How much will Gyan be worth when he comes back as damaged goods, do you want to see him at the SOL again..Not me! Bruce has to go for the sake of the club.

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Right. What about the players that have already worked with Bruce in the past and signed for him at Sunderland.If he was immpossible to work with they would have stayed away. Bent didn't like the thought he was going to play second fiddle to Gyan. Look at him now-as soon as Agbonglahor has shown some form he's onto the press blaming McCleish's team selection for his lack of form. As for Jones, he was patchy at best. Unplayable on his day but unfortunately he only has 2 days a season. Also could you show me an official quote from any one of these players saying they couldn't work with the manger. Bent left because he wanted more England call ups which it has got him (which shows how ridiculous the FA and capello is on a side note). These fake fareweather fans need to go for the sake of the club not the mananger who has given us a win and 2 draws! Lets face it all we have lost is a game against a champions league club and a derby which are notoriously bad indicators of form.

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However after that large rant above. A derby may not be an indicator of form- playing like we did last night is. Shocking. I have never ever called for a managers head but because I just don't believe in it. You don't get a top 10 finish if you're a bad manager. I still maintain what I said above. It is the tactical awareness that concerns me. Why have we got 5 players out of 11 playing out of position when they don't need to be?

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20 Sep 2011 12:56:01
Johnathon Wilson from Lifes a pitch wrote this article .
It puts to the sword the stories of our big spending and that we are actually in profit. Here is the article;-

For football managers, criticism is part of the job. Most of it, you suspect, barely registers, but what must niggle is when people who should know better ignore context to have a rant. Steve Bruce is not beyond criticism. It’s legitimate to ask why three top-class strikers have left Sunderland in little over a year. It’s legitimate to wonder why, when rebuilding the squad over the summer, he didn’t mould a more tactically flexible unit. It’s legitimate to ask why Sunderland have let slip so many leads under him, and why they so often start games well and then fade in the second half. It’s even legitimate, although the issue pre-dates Bruce, to wonder why Sunderland haven’t had a genuinely creative central midfielder player since Lee Clark’s departure in 1999, after he foolishly put on a T-shirt mocking the club.

And yet the most commonly heard criticism about Bruce is that “he’s had money to spend”. Yes he has, but only because he’s sold first. Until the official accounts are revealed such things are always to an extent a matter of estimation, but by my calculations, Bruce has spent £43million since the end of the 2009-10 season. In the same period, he has sold players to a value of £52million while trimming the Sunderland wage bill.

That doesn’t even take into account the Asamoah Gyan loan deal, out of which Sunderland have done remarkably well from a financial point of view. Al-Ain paid a reported £6million to take the Ghana international for a year, while paying his wages (around £2million). Sunderland get him back next year and they can then decide whether to give him another try or to sell him on. While his resale value is unlikely to be the £13million they paid, it’s equally unlikely to be £6million less than that.

So Bruce hasn’t had money to spend. On the contrary, he’s recouped £15million in 15 months. Now that, in itself, raises questions. There was a general perception that Roy Keane had wasted money as manager, both in terms of acquisitions and salaries, and that had to be righted; the suspicion now, though, is that that caution is going too far in the other direction. After all, what is Sunderland’s goal this season?

Last season they finished 10th. Given how well things had gone at the start of the season, and the hope raised by the 3-0 win at Chelsea, that perhaps felt disappointing, but it was Sunderland’s best finish in a decade, their third best since 1955 and their eighth best since the war. To maintain that level while making a significant profit in the transfer market would be an achievement.

To start the season with four winless matches isn’t encouraging, but again context is necessary. Those four games featured a draw at Anfield and a home defeat to Chelsea, a draw at Swansea – and newly promoted sides are always awkward early in the season, particularly on their own patch – and a home defeat to Newcastle, the derby being a notoriously bad indicator of form. It was a disappointing start, but one at least partly explicable by a difficult run of games.

Sunderland’s neatness in possession against Stoke was little different to previous home games, but this time they found accommodating opposition. Now if Sunderland need opponents to make errors and score own goals, that’s clearly not much of a step forward; if the win inspires new confidence and gives Sunderland more of a cutting edge, the perhaps it is.

Either way, five points from five games represents an alright start: it’s not brilliant, but it’s certainly not disastrous either. Put in context, it’s hard to understand why the discontent about Bruce seems so widespread

I have had this discussion with many a mag but they just dont get it. Here is the proof!

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YAAAAWWWWNNNNNN!!! So what? You got nothing better to do with your time?

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The point is SAFC have been accused of spending and in some cases wasting fortunes, by mags on here and in the press.
The Daily Mail for Eg is a case in question. SAFC fans personally emailed the journalist on his site where he reflected then came out in agreement with the SAFC fans on line, but not later to the readers of his paper!
We are in essence actually in profit with purchases running favorably against sales and have reduced the wage bill. The article was not a SB Knocking, in fact its complementary and makes a change from the negative press SB,Quinn and if indeed SAFC have received of late regarding the running of the club and for once it wasn't lazy journalism, sorry if there were some big words in there for you to try and get your head round. The new line up will hopefully gel and we may start to get some favorable results.
What is your problem ! Mags stir s**te all the time about our Massive spending.The books are balanced and perhaps with a little money in January we may have something more to shout about. Are you a Mag or was the piece a little long for you. It was just cut and pasted I didnt have to write it all out !

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So what ? it proves to you mags that we havnt spent a fortune to build a decent squad , while the fat controller has sold most of your decent players and pocketed the money !

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Im not a mag yer nutter! this article proves we are using a good business model and we have a cash surplus for future purchases.
We have a bit more cover than before and when we gel we should have a more positive team, if we can get a left back and a left winger in Jan ( we've only wanted one for ever) we will have so much more shape.How many other teams have to play with 3 centre backs?
You sound like a mag or you are smoking crack!

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So what? that is the point the guy is trying to make, Ashley has took the mags money . We are building a team and have money left to do more. The article shows sunderland have spent money , balanced the books and have money left!
everyone else on here can see it !

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And we still have a better team

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Nufc have not got a better team or squad, wait till after the next few games mate , your injuries are mounting up ,you have no depth or cover, you should have brought in players when you had the chance...... Its not looking good for you lot, you are just papering over the cracks mate.... Ive popped on your site, Ive seen the comments , I work with Mags and the bait table is getting pretty gloomy for your lot , The QPR game is "the beginning of the end , or is it the end of the beginning?" Winston Churchill said that! when talking about the battle of tobruk (my dad was there!) we had never won a major battle in WW2 before that, after it, we never lost one!
That's why football is not a sprint its a marathon mate... All I see is "gloom,gloom, black, black , my eyes are pies. What shall we do with Martha?" The fast show said that , when the manic depressive artist has his depression.... That's what I see for the mags, Shirts off, fat belly's bouncing from kebabs and Carling fizzy p*** larger and alcopop shouting for Agents Ashley's head, " fetch me the head of John the Baptist" another case of history repeating itself.
He who laughs last my little Geordie bar codes......

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