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14 Sep 2014 20:46:08
I just need someone to explain to me why there continues to be such frustration towards club, manager, chairman, director of football at present on here. I go home and away and there's absolutely no doubt it, we have a long long way to go in our journey to being a successful Premier League club but crikey me, there's so much good going on, both on and off the pitch. Tottenham were v impressive and we showed a real strength of character to dig in for a draw. isn't it a great thing that we are trying to play such an attractive style of football? We seem more insistent on criticising the current failings of what is a very early process, I don't think Poyet is daft enough not to see them himself. Considering the yo-yoing in the leagues and the struggles for survival every year, this is an exciting time where plans/direction is absolutely clear. Even saw the youth team the other day and some of the kind of football they've started playing was outstanding. If we get thumped 4-0 or lose a few on the bounce, I absolutely understand your frustration, but 2-2, 8 goals in 5 games, new players with pace, energy, really warrant feelings of such frustration and disappointment?

LemonChops

1.) . . . BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE NEVER HAPPY!!! I also agree we are not going to trouble the Champions League draw next summer but after perennial false dawns someone has to grasp the nettle and turn this club into a successful one. As you say there is a certain style of play Gus is trying to adopt and slowly it is coming into focus. Let me give you an example. I sit in the South Stand [after moving this season from the North] and there was a passage of play in the second half where Spurs were pulling us all over the place, and after a tackle by Vergini won the ball and was looking for the choice of pass to play the ball out of defence the voice of tactical awareness and undoubted vision from behind shouted out "WILL YER WELLY THE HO**R FORWARD MAN!!" in his best Sunderland accent. A real touch of class in his phraseology and constructive in his motivational skills.


2.) Tottenham were pure quality, just brilliant

If that was them up against us 6 moths ago it could/would of been EASILY 5-0, there is character and a don't give up attitude in our ranks, we just need to stop giving away pathetic, easily avoidable goals, fair enough a 30 yard screamer but clearing it off a team mates back is a head in hands moment for fans


3.) 15 Sep 2014 07:44:07
Because it's easier to criticise it takes no thought process. People forget Gus and lee joined the club when it was rock bottom, we somehow managed to stay up! Then they had to clean up the mess from other managers, most the team left through out of contract, loans returned and fringe players kicked out. Then had to start rebuilding the team on a budget. Another bunch of players has to start learning to play together. Yes we still have a lot of work to do re the team ie defence and strikers and will rely on keepers and midfield this season but we have a good base to start building on.


4.) 16 Sep 2014 17:54:54
Or because, however you look at it most of the weaknesses we hoped to cover in the transfer window went unfilled, and while we cleared out a lot of dead wood and made one or two potentially good signings, we look no stronger at the back, are weaker up front and while we have more competition in midfield we don't seem to have signed that creative player who can win us a match with a couple of moments of genuine class. The management performance over summer was at best 6 out of 10, and the performance so far on the pitch is a rather ordinary 3 out of 12. Not really what were hoping for, and the the lack of pace, close control and passing ability in he centre of the defence makes Poyet's perseverance with play-it-out-from-back a strategy that could cost us dear. Yes, he is a huge improvement on Di Canio, but he still has to prove he can build a side to compete in the Premier league.


5.) 17 Sep 2014 08:12:55
Sorry Brandon but couldn't disagree more. We have several playmakers in the ranks now and a far more settled unit. Your expectations are unrealistic, it was right to trim the squad because we had deadwood everywhere and when your not in europe you don't need hundreds of players. You may want hoofball but I certainly dont. We'll see who's right at the end I suppose but i don't blame Di Canio anyway, O'Neill nearly ran the club into the gutter. Di canio served a purpose in shaking the club up although clearly had to go when he did.


6.) 18 Sep 2014 11:47:53
I agree that O'Neill was clueless. But if you think that supplementing a defence consisting entirely of two ageing CBs- neither of whom have particularly good fitness or disciplinary reords- by signing two fullbacks with only about a dozen premier games between them in that position and young CB who managed only a couple of Liverpool PL starts in 3 years was a 'reasonable' strengthening of a defence that conceded more goals last season than any team that stayed up, I do not. Similarly, we failed to add to a pool of strikers who scored fewer goals than all but four of the survivors, and was weakened by the departure of Borini. That does not strike me as 'reasonable' management either. I like what Poyet has brought to the club, and I certainly don't want to see us desperately hoofing the ball upfield only to see it come straight back (like it did against Spurs, despite ambitions to 'play football'), but if you want to play like that you need to bring in players who can do it. So I repeat, a very ordinary start, both on and off the pitch.


7.) There is a club twelve miles up the road will make you very welcome Brandon.


 

 

08 Jul 2014 22:44:31
I think £3. 50 at this moment will see us comfortably secure the signatures of Marcelo, Oscar, Hulk and Paulinho. Will prove good back up to the likes of Duncan Watmore. Make me your Director of Football Ellis, I've got it all planned.

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10 Nov 2013 20:55:58
Martin O'Neill is a joke! He was both lazy and arrogant when in charge and feels hard done by now Ellis Short showed a bit of metal. He'll fail at ROI guarantee it. He had his time and did very well a few years ago but to suggest he was treated unfairly at Sunderland shows the man to be a fool. The fans were far to patient putting up with the worst football I've ever seen. Even though this season is an almighty struggle I think we've tried to play far better football, including games like Fulham first game.

LemonChops

1.) I know
He's had all this time to say something and speak his mind and hasn't but now he's being given a little confidence in getting the ROI job he thinks he knows everything


 

 

10 Nov 2013 16:08:09
Get in!! Mr Mackem, 2 games since our inspirational team talks from the heart and 2 wins. It leaves you asking. is it us or the players that deserve the plaudits.

LemonChops

1.) Clearly us
They did fu*k all!

{Ed024's Note - Methinks you take a tad too much credit}


2.) Na, in all fairness they were class today everyone worked their socks off

Brown, what a monster, he's been out for 2 years, 2! He was a brick wall today


3.) Missed the game today, had to work. Gave ticket to son who agrees with you, he says he was unbelievable.


4.) I was at the match and Wes Brown was Motm by a country mile. Superb defensive performance and an assist to go with it


 

 

28 Oct 2013 18:04:59
Ive never been one for posting thoughts on other teams banter pages, especially to have cheap shots but Jtoon and Harvey have completely changed me. Ed, can we have a christmas party at your house and can we get them 2 special invites?

LemonChops

{Ed024's Note - I thought we were all coming to your house !}


 

 

 

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30 Jul 2014 09:13:38
I don't disagree but I fully expect some more players to come through the door even if it has taken longer than expected, I just wouldn't be fooled by some of the transfer activity of other clubs. West Ham paid 12m for a player who had a great world cup but had any of us heard of him prior? Smacks of something we would do last summer (minus 11.75m of course). I suppose I can see why as passionate sunderland fans people get a little panicked but I genuinely think there's far more reason to feel positive about the club than negative in comparison to the last 6 or 7 years. Thoroughly enjoyed watching us at times in the second half of last season (with a few major wobbles).

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29 Jul 2014 22:28:56
Lets put things in perspective here. Sunderland are in far better shape than last season because we have a stable manager and director of football and we have players in the squad with good premier league experience, we have also learned a heck of a lot from last seasons rollercoaster. Weve brought in more than a lot of teams and there will be more to come whether its now or closer to transfer deadline. Take Hull City for example, Bruce doing v good job and everyone happy with there transfer activity but is Maguire better than Brown, nope. Is Robertson better than Van Aanholt probably not. Is livermore better than Cattermole, debateable. Is Ince better than Johnson, nope. Is Snodgrass better than giaccherini, nope. So should we have gone in for these players, nope. I don't expect anything like the dicing with death as was last season but are we going to set the world on fire, course not but better quality of football, without a doubt. New signings will follow, have some faith in the management team. I think a lot of you will be pleasantly surprised. unless your expectations are ridiculous like top 6.

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14 Jul 2014 09:31:12
Are they? Apart from West Ham i'm not sure there's many clubs down the bottom who are. Newspapers may give that impression but if you look at the endless list of internationals we have been linked with then its no different. Sunderland have made losses year after year well before Short and with a financial fair play now introduced we rightly need to be careful, money will be spent I have no doubt but were not a club that can waste it at the beginning of transfer window.

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13 Jul 2014 19:17:40
Some of the comments on here are crazy. We buy 30 players last summer, everyone happy, it then nearly goes v wrong, we decide the club was reckless. This season, we learn from mistakes and now despite bringing more players in than a lot of clubs so far and with a month until new season we are accusing Poyet and Congleton of being clueless. Look into your history books at previous world cup pre seasons. People have unrealistic expectations, Poyet and Congleton proving to be far more accountable for the decisions they are making and deserve a bit more loyalty than this. I personally think were in good shape and fully expect gaps in the team to be filled. Ellis Short has done nothing other than to try and take the club to next level, that should be supported but with it comes risk, when I shudder at the memories of the football under Martin O'Neill they are risks that were worth taking.

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13 Jul 2014 16:53:14
So were saying we should have absolutely no eye on the future then? Because we want a 19 year old we're incapable of also sorting the first team out at same time ?

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06 Oct 2014 20:11:23
Welcome to the forum of negativity Keith. Think you should see the whole game, deserved the win, Poyet realised we were comfortable so didn't take risk and saw game out. When we have couple of wins on the board we will be more ambitious but it was important to get points on the board by hook or by crook. Stoke are no mugs and we beat them, a solid start to the season chaps.

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22 Sep 2014 21:01:29
I think its because it depends which way you look at it. Nobody can say there's no progress from last season because its simply not true and I completely accept we've not set the world alight but 1 defeat in 5 after not even getting out of second gear, its certainly not disastrous. The next home games are important but I think there is goals in the team and I think there are some good footballers in the team. If i couldn't work out what Poyet was trying to do then i'd share your panic but I've watched every game and I definitely see an identity he's trying to instill, we stop that and were back to square 1. Were solid and have shown glimpses of really good football. You can't get thrown by other teams getting excellent results this weekend, well done to them but Sunderland will get better as well, its very early days and we've got something on the board which is important.

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20 Sep 2014 18:42:00
Another post I completely disagree with. Total disrespect for the Premier League suggesting we should walk all over Burnley. Points tally ticking over with 2 important home games coming up. Satisfied with start considering played more away games than home games and the 2 home games against better teams. Plenty of room for improvement but Rodwell much improved today and Giaccherini, Van Aanholt both look more settled in side.

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17 Sep 2014 08:12:55
Sorry Brandon but couldn't disagree more. We have several playmakers in the ranks now and a far more settled unit. Your expectations are unrealistic, it was right to trim the squad because we had deadwood everywhere and when your not in europe you don't need hundreds of players. You may want hoofball but I certainly dont. We'll see who's right at the end I suppose but i don't blame Di Canio anyway, O'Neill nearly ran the club into the gutter. Di canio served a purpose in shaking the club up although clearly had to go when he did.

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02 Sep 2014 20:31:33
Wahey! Finally a comment on here being positive about a bloke who worked harder than anyone when at the club. I couldn't give a monkeys about all this absolute garbage being aimed at the club on here, Congleton and Poyet doing a great job, not only recruiting proper footballers but changing the standards across the whole club, including improving existing players. We won't go down and Borini will have a v good career because he's got a bit about him. And extremely confident we'll finish ahead of Hull and QPR who are throwing cash around like no tomorrow.

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